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7/7/2012 10:50:09 AM
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@Jason: Let me check with the FPGA companies to see what they say about using SiPs ... sometimes it depends on the terminology -- you or I might say they do, while they might say they don't

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Jason Teo
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7/7/2012 1:39:50 AM
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@Max: The typical substrate thickness of a single die is 0.8 - 1.0mm. Microprocessors and systems with very fast clock rate (GHz range) have issues with thermal management, and typically require external cooling using devices such as heat sink. I remember seeing a youtube video of an Intel chip smoking within the minute that the heat sink was removed from the microprocessor. I am wondering how good these SiP are at thermal management. More specifically, what are the typical power usage of applications using SiP? Low-power? Some of the consumer electronics that use SiP include mobile phones and MP3 players. So, it may perhaps be inferred that SiP are good for low-power devices. By the way, are any of the FPGA technologies using SiP?

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Max Maxfield
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7/6/2012 10:14:22 AM
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@Jason: I believe that the thickness of the individual die are in the order of 0.2mm.

Re the thickness of the substrate, that depends what the substrate is made out of -- SiP Substrates range from ceramic (either a single layer or multiple paper-thin layers with embedded tracks), to silicon to saphire to ... well, all sorts of things, really. But a very common one is a laminate, which you can think of as an ultra-thin printed circuit board using high-density interconnect (HDI) and micro-via technologies.

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Jason Teo
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7/6/2012 9:38:35 AM
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@Max: Very interesting, comprehensive intro. I like to add the conventional IC, SoC and SiP are arranged in the order of increasing implementation complexity (*obviously*) and cost. Off my mind, I have a main question about SiP. Each die has its own substrate. Most IC are built on silicon substrate. For SiP, there is a common substrate. What is the typical thickness of this common substrate? And, what is the typical substrate thickness for each die on an SiP?

 

 

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Max Maxfield
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7/6/2012 9:15:28 AM
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@Myplanet: "After 3D..."

Let's get through 3D first -- I have two more 3D articles in mind, plus I'm sure there will be more after that ... and then we'll worry about "after 3D" (grin)

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Myplanet
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7/6/2012 12:54:23 AM
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"I wasn't sure whether readers would like one big article or a number of smaller "bite-size" pieces"

Max, I would like to read smaller bites rather than a 3 page article. I think most of the other readers may also have a similar opinion. After 3D, what's going to be next great in development side.

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Max Maxfield
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7/5/2012 10:51:52 AM
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Re: Dice, dies, and die..
@Pmartel: Thanks for this -- I LOVE tidbits of trivia and nuggest of knowledge :-)

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Max Maxfield
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7/5/2012 10:50:39 AM
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@Jacek: Thanks for the feedback -- I wasn't sure whether readers would like one big article or a number of smaller "bite-size" pieces (also I just now discovered how to post multi-part articles (grin)

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pmartel
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7/5/2012 7:49:41 AM
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Re: Dice, dies, and die..
From Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary:

DIE, n.The singular of "dice." We seldom hear the word, because there is a prohibitory proverb, "Never say die." At long intervals, however, some one says: "The die is cast," which is not true, for it is cut.

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Jacek Hanke
Jacek Hanke
7/4/2012 4:23:59 AM
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Hi Max,

Nice column and nice form of presenting multi-part article. You divide it into three logical parts - much more better to read.

And regarding the "dice" - in my experience die % dice are the most popular. So maybe let's keep to the usance?

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