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Papilio: The Untold Story, Part 1

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David Ashton
David Ashton
7/14/2012 7:55:44 PM
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Re: Linux on FPGA
@Max....don't count your chickens before they are hatched......

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Max Maxfield
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7/14/2012 7:49:04 PM
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Re: Linux on FPGA
@David: You are my hero :-)

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David Ashton
David Ashton
7/14/2012 7:24:19 PM
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Re: Linux on FPGA
Jack - have you tried putting

"petalinux" zip

into google?  there do seem to be a few downloads there - did you try the one on Bittorrent.am?  I havn't used bit torrents so not sure.....    If you don't put the petalinux into quotes it just comes up with Linux stuff.  Might help, might not.

 

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David Ashton
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7/14/2012 7:20:35 PM
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Thanks Jack for all the info.  Max, I am having a go at your monitor today, will not allow myself a look at Hamster's book till I have done so.  (How's that for steely self-discipline?)

cheers // David

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Max Maxfield
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7/14/2012 4:09:34 PM
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Re: Linux on FPGA
@Jack: Can you give us an idea about the startup costs for a regular surface mount vs a BGA board -- this may influence some of my future projects.

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jackgassett
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7/14/2012 1:32:50 PM
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Re: Linux on FPGA
I've been drooling over Zynq since I first saw it at a Xilinx training session. :)

I'd love to make a Zynq board but right now they only offer BGA packages. I tried to bring a Papilio board with a BGA package to the market and it was derailed by the startup costs involved... So I'm a little gun shy about pursuing a BGA based board for the DIY market right now.


It looks like the Xilinx linux wiki has really been growing! Maybe it is almost time to make another attempt at getting linux to run on the Papilio Plus prototypes! I wonder if they have a good root filesystem released yet?


In some respects though it almost makes more sense to use a RasPi for linux and a Papilio for the electronics... There is soooo much community involvement with the RasPi that it is going to mature very quickly.

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jackgassett
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7/14/2012 1:22:50 PM
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Re: Linux on FPGA
Hey David,

The funny thing is that several years ago it WAS much easier to get linux running on a Xilinx FPGA. What is now PetaLinux started out as an Open Source project, it used to be very easy to find a zip file that had everything you needed to get linux up and running on the Spartan 3E starter kit in a weekend. It had a tutorial that walked you through building your own Microblaze processor with all the tweaks for linux and it also had a script that loaded their distro onto the processor. Unfortunately PetaLinux went commercial and they buried all that open source work, I was searching for that zip file several months ago and it is no where to be found anymore. (well, references can be found but the links are dead) So while the bits and pieces to make linux run on a Spartan 3E are out there you basically have to roll your own distro now... It's too bad, I guess PetaLinux felt that was the only way to make a living. They've done a tremendous amount of work, and I totally understand the need to make a living from that work. I just wish they could have worked an open source release into their new model...


"Linux usually runs on a processor, so does this imply that Jack has a processor of some sort implemented in the FPGA?"

There are a couple really great processors that run on the Papilio, the AVR8 and the ZPUino. The AVR8 is an Atmega103 clone and the ZPUino is a 32 bit 100Mhz processor, both processors work with the Arduino IDE. Wait for part II for more info. :)

We don't have Linux solution yet because the Papilio One does not have enough memory. The new Papilio Plus board will have enough memory to run Linux though. :) I hope to make the time to roll a distro, or wait for Xilinx to make more progress now that PetaLinux is not a viable option for Open Source projects anymore.


Jack.

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Max Maxfield
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7/14/2012 10:17:15 AM
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Re: Really neat how some of these projects get their start
@William: As you say, it really is neat how some of thsi stuff comes to be -- I love hearing these "behind the scenes" stories

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Max Maxfield
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7/14/2012 10:16:03 AM
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Re: Linux on FPGA
@David: I'll be posting Part 2 on Monday -- you'll just have to wait until then.

In the meantime, just to give you something to do, any news re my Atmospherics monitor? (grin)

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William Murray
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7/14/2012 9:59:25 AM
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Really neat how some of these projects get their start
It is really neat how some of these projects get their start --

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