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Max Maxfield
7/20/2012 4:58:43 PM
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I'm basking in the glow...
I'm basking in the glow of a "job well done" -- I find it easy to wrap my brain around thsi stuff -- the tricky part is explaining it in such a way that it's easy to for others to understand -- and I have to say that I am VERY PROUD of my diagrams (I will also mention that I never get tired of hearing nice things about my diagrams :-)

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Brian C.
Brian C.
7/20/2012 6:17:01 PM
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Re: I'm basking in the glow...
Hey Max! Great job on the drawings. You make it very clear!

Were you an industrial artist in a previous life?

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Max Maxfield
Max Maxfield
7/21/2012 12:06:44 PM
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Re: I'm basking in the glow...
@Brian C.: Thanks for the kind words. I did technical drawing at high-school, but that was about it. However, I've been using Visio since it first came out, and must have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours creating drawings for books and papers and suchlike -- like everything it gets easier the more you do it -- but it can be tricky trying to get everything into a restricted "canvas" -- which is 480 pixels wide in the case of these blogs.

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Bill White
Bill White
7/21/2012 12:32:34 AM
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Re: I'm basking in the glow...
This has taken a good deal of work on your part, Max, to convey exactly what is going on.  The diagrams are wonderful, and I appreciate you mention thicknesses oof various layers as we progress; keeps everything in a size perspective.

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Max Maxfield
Max Maxfield
7/21/2012 3:24:09 PM
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Re: I'm basking in the glow...
@Bill White: Thanks for the kind words Bill. The thing is that I hate reading technical articles that make all sorts of assumptions as to what I know (because I often don't :-) ...I would rather things were spelled out.

And although most people in the industry know that 700um equates to 0.7mm, and that 1um = 1000nm, it's easy (as a writer) to forget that if you aren't working with this stuff all the time you might forget these relationships. Also, younger folks may not immediately tie these things together, so I do try to spell things out.

Truth to tell, I'm rather "chuffed" (happy) that you noticed -- when I write these columns, I'm never sure if what I'm hoping to achieve actually "comes off" if you know what I mean, so having this sort of feedback really helps.

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rfindley
rfindley
7/21/2012 12:31:38 AM
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Heat dissipation and power reduction
@Max, great article!  I'll hazard a guess that heat dissipation is going to be one of the biggest factors limiting how many layers can be stacked, which may drive even greater investment in power-reduction research.

I'm already amazed by the uA-sipping micros out there based on current technology.  For example, I think the "Nook Simple Touch" e-reader achieves it's 2-month battery life by using a TI MSP430 to drive the touch-sensors, allowing the main ARM processor, which does the heavy-lifting, to sleep most of the time.  (This is just an educated guess based on a quick snoop inside my Nook).

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Max Maxfield
Max Maxfield
7/21/2012 3:19:01 PM
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Re: Heat dissipation and power reduction
@rfindley: On the one hand we're talking about strata (by which I mean the hydrogen-silicon-cleaved layer with it's metal and dialectric layers) only ~1um thick, so even if you had say 10 of them you are still talking about a combined thinkness of 0.01mm -- so if you put some sort of heat-removal mechanizm/layer on top that should be effective.

Also I believe you can use the virtical vias as thermal heat exchangers.

But, truth to tell, I really don;t knwo enough about this to comment. One of the things I'm interested in is using single crystal diamond as the main substrate/wafer, but that's probably a column for another day :-)

 

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torki
torki
7/29/2012 9:06:00 AM
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Re: Heat dissipation and power reduction
This issue disappear in true 3D-IC integrated systems where :
- 3D floorplanning have been done with optimizations on 3D interconnections and gate resizing.
- Thin substrates are used for the tiers (1 to 10u thickness). Thermal resistance decrease significantly.
- Integrated heatsink is used to evacuate the heat from the volume to the surface. For instance by using TSVs and micro-bumps attached in the power rails.
An efficient global heatsink have to collect the heat from the surface.

 

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torki
torki
7/28/2012 1:30:58 PM
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This is true 3D-IC integration
This process is one of the keys for a future 3D-IC integration.

The community needs such feature size in thickness to reach a true

integration and not just stacking dies.

The process seems a variant of the SmartCut process from SOITEC.

Are you collaborating with them ?

 

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Max Maxfield
Max Maxfield
7/30/2012 9:25:51 AM
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Re: This is true 3D-IC integration
@Tork: "The process seems a variant of the SmartCut process from SOITEC. Are you collaborating with them?"

Nope -- I haven't even heard of them -- but I certainly would like to learn more about what they are doing (when I get a free moment).

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torki
torki
8/2/2012 5:12:32 AM
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Re: This is true 3D-IC integration
SmartCut process is pattented and owned by SOITEC.  This process exists since about 15 years. (US Patent 5882987)

Look at the animation at :

http://www.soitec.com/en/technologies/smart-cut/

 

Smart Stacking is pattented and owned by SOITEC. It is similar to what you are drawing.

http://www.soitec.com/en/technologies/smart-stacking/

 

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Max Maxfield
Max Maxfield
8/2/2012 6:26:25 AM
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Re: This is true 3D-IC integration
@torki: Very interesting -- I will have to check them out :-)

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echen
echen
8/17/2012 1:12:39 PM
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Re: This is true 3D-IC integration
Hi max,

 Very interesting. But is there any conflit with SOItec patent?

Regards

Eddy

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William Murray
William Murray
7/28/2012 5:13:37 PM
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Thermal could begain to be an issue at higher layer counts
Thermal could begain to be an issue at higher layer counts --  Tools that can minimize hotspots on the die may become more important.

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Max Maxfield
Max Maxfield
7/30/2012 9:27:29 AM
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Re: Thermal could begain to be an issue at higher layer counts
@William: I agree -- heat is always a problem -- it's going to be interesting to see where this goes -- if people start using the technology in earnest then tool development will ramp up also.

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torki
torki
7/29/2012 10:11:50 AM
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1um BEOL thickness ?
Max,

My doubts are on the announced 1um metal layers. This is possible only with a 1 metal and oxide layer.  For a 5 metal layers process, the total thickness will be around 3um or so.

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torki
torki
7/30/2012 6:27:57 AM
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Re: 1um BEOL thickness ?
About 3um thichness for metal stack is needed considering the thick metal layers for power distribution.

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Max Maxfield
Max Maxfield
7/30/2012 9:30:36 AM
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Re: 1um BEOL thickness ?
@torki: I did say that I was "rounding furiously" (grin) -- how about if we say "in the order of 1um" (double grin)

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Brian C.
Brian C.
7/30/2012 3:11:16 PM
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Re: 1um BEOL thickness ?
Hi Max! I like your 'about 1 um'. Looking at the ITRS 2011 BEOL roadmap for MPUs (logic) Table IITC2 year 2012 (22nm node), metal 1 is 58nm thick, the intermediate metal layers (say #2 & #3) are either 115nm or 230nm (if 2X for ASICs), and global metal layers (say #4 & #5) are either 123nm or 492nm (if 4X for ASICs). Then adding it all up we get a range from 518nm to 1502nm; so 1.0+/-0.5um for the 5 layers of metal covers it. You are 'Magnificent'!  

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Max Maxfield
Max Maxfield
7/30/2012 3:13:51 PM
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Re: 1um BEOL thickness ?
@Brian C: Sometimes I amaze even myself (grin)

Seriously, thanks for rooting this information out and sharing it with us.

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torki
torki
8/2/2012 5:02:02 AM
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Re: 1um BEOL thickness ?
Hi Mark,

Yes a range of 1um or 2um works.

At 28nm Mx (1 to 6) stack is  about 6 times 180nm (metal and via).
So this is indeed 1.08 micron.
The mid-thick metal is 400nm (metal and via)
The thick metal is 1480nm (metal and via)

Regards,

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Max Maxfield
Max Maxfield
8/2/2012 6:25:27 AM
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Re: 1um BEOL thickness ?
@torki: Great -- thanks for this input -- for my paper I was just trying to give a "feel" for it all -- but it's nice to know I was so close -- and if I ever give a talk about this technology, will all of the info provided by everyone's feedback I will be able to nail the numbers :-)

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