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3/12/2013 10:04:22 AM
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Re: Re : Ask Max: Differential Signaling
@SunitaT: I think advantage of LVDS is its low electromagnetic-interference (EMI) generation.

Good point!

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Max Maxfield
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3/12/2013 10:03:37 AM
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@icd: is there any possible way that I can simulate the LVDS and see the output?

Hamster already answered this -- in the meantime, is there any possible way I could persuade you to upload a photo (or, worse-case, an avatar/icon image) to your profile -- I always prefer to "see" who I'm talking to (grin)

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Max Maxfield
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3/12/2013 10:01:45 AM
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Re: Signal integrity
@hamster: In fact when verifying designs I find it easier if you can't see the inverted signal!


I'd agree with this as far as simulation goes, but if probing physical signals with a scope I like to see both the true and inverse versions of the signal.

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SunitaT
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3/12/2013 8:11:42 AM
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Re : Ask Max: Differential Signaling
Differential lines needs to be closely coupled to reduce the effect of induced signal. As induced signal is common-mode noise that appears as a commonmode voltage at the receiver input. The receiver responds only to the difference between the  inputs, so when the noise appears commonly to both inputs, the input differential signal amplitude is undisturbed. This common-mode noise rejection also applies to noise sources such as power supply variations, substrate noise, and ground bounce.

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SunitaT
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3/12/2013 8:06:54 AM
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Re : Ask Max: Differential Signaling
In electronic systems (particularly portable and mobile devices), there is a continuing trend toward lowering supply voltages to save power and reduce emitted radiation.

I think advantage of LVDS is its low electromagnetic-interference (EMI) generation. LVDS generates low emissions because of its low voltage swing and the odd-mode differential signals properties. High-frequency signal transitions flowing through a transmission path create electromagnetic fields that radiate emissions and this field strength is proportional to the energy carried by the signal. By reducing the voltage swing LVDS minimizes these fields.

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hamster
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2/27/2013 11:23:32 PM
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Re: Signal integrity
@ICD: Yes - LVDS outputs show on a simulate like any other signal.

However there is not much to see, as the negative signal of the pair will be the inverse of the positive. 

In fact when verifying designs I find it easier if you can't see the inverted signal!

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icd
icd
2/27/2013 10:02:29 PM
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Re: Signal integrity
is there any possible way that I can simulate the LVDS and see the output?

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Max Maxfield
Max Maxfield
2/27/2013 1:45:20 PM
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Re: Signal integrity
@devel: "TL;DR" means "too long; didn't read."

Thanks -- that makes more sense -- but if I didn't understand it you can imagine the confusion it will spread aroudn the world :-)

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tomii
2/27/2013 1:44:57 PM
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Re: Signal integrity
Yeah, sorry.  At work.  Not enough time to read all the comments.  Was apologizing in case I was repeating something someone else said.  Back to work, now.

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devel@latke.net
2/27/2013 1:39:01 PM
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Re: Signal integrity
Max:

"TL;DR" means "too long; didn't read."

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