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What to Look for When Selecting Third-Party IP, Part 4

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Jacek Hanke
Jacek Hanke
12/5/2012 2:18:52 AM
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Re: 3rd Party IPs
Oh yes, you're wright. You can always ask other engineers about their opinion, check previous customers, projects and so on, but still evaluation seems the best way to make verything work fast and effective.

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12/5/2012 2:00:52 AM
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Re: 3rd Party IPs
"Of course there are still some more options how you can check the company"

What are the other options, in certain cases we cannot say goodbye like that because of various deadlines and lack of alternatives. In such situation, the best way is start the evaluation and procuring process well in advance.

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Jacek Hanke
Jacek Hanke
11/27/2012 7:17:59 AM
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I cannot imagine that trusted 3rd party IP Core vendor can deny to let sb to evaluate IP Core before buying. Of course there are still some more options how you can check the company. But in my opinion, if vendor doesn't allow to evaluate IP Core, just say "good buy" and go to another one to check if his IP Core is tailored to your needs. Come on, every IP Core is different, every case is different, so if somebody contact me and ask about IP Core, I ask his requirements and then I'm ready to prepare an offer and of course evaluation files.

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Myplanet
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11/27/2012 7:07:15 AM
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Jacek, we used to raise the request, but most of the time it may get denied. In such cases we used to collect user cases, references and experience through the IP provider. In certain cases its more enough to address our concerns.

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Jacek Hanke
Jacek Hanke
11/23/2012 2:40:02 AM
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Re: 3rd Party IPs
Thanks for it. I thought this should be a standard procesure to evaluate/test before buying, but reality shows that sometimes even that can be a problem. That's why better be aware of the vendors who limit you the possibility of evaluation.

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Myplanet
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11/23/2012 2:27:30 AM
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"As I mentioned trusted 3rd party IP Core provider should let you evaluate the IP Core before buying."

Jacek, agrees with you. The customer rights have to be protected and they have the right to test/verify it before going for an outright purchase. Because of this we may not be able to go further with it.

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Jacek Hanke
Jacek Hanke
11/16/2012 7:29:40 AM
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Re: Sometimes it is handy to run your code in an instruction set simulator
Of course. Let me answer by referring to my latest blog. You can always use DoCD (DCD's on Chip Debugger). Here's an example for 8051 IP Cores http://www.dcd.pl/page/154/docd/ but you can use DoCD also for 80390, pic, 6811... You don't need to tie up with any modelsim license and you can run the code in the DoCD simulator and check all the details. It's totally free for evaluation, you just need to download it from our website.

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William Murray
William Murray
11/16/2012 6:53:25 AM
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Sometimes it is handy to run your code in an instruction set simulator
Sometimes it is handy to run your code in an instruction set simulator -- Do any of these support the DCD core timings (so one does not have to tie up a modelsim liscense to check SW)

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Jacek Hanke
Jacek Hanke
11/16/2012 2:40:34 AM
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Re: 3rd Party IPs
That's why I wanted to start this small series about IP Cores. As I mentioned trusted 3rd party IP Core provider should let you evaluate the IP Core before buying. I wrote these words basing on my company's, Digital Core Design, experience. So every customer who comes to our office and says that he'll need an IP Core, can get evaluation package. As a standard we offer two kinds of it:

1. simulation model - which are the simulation tests prepared for eg ModelSim

2. hardware model - which is the netlist prepared for desired FPGA

As I said, these are the basic options, cause every time we discuss with friends what kind of IP Core they need, we're designing all in accordance to their needs.

 

The same story with hardware debugging - but it's the topic for other conversation :-)

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Myplanet
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11/16/2012 2:16:54 AM
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3rd Party IPs
"In my previous column, we discussed whether or not it was possible to evaluate an IP core before purchasing a license to use it."

Jack, in my experience none of the vendors will allow to evaluate the IP core before purchasing. We are using some of Soft core IPs from third party vendors and we requested for an evaluation. They didn't allow for that, instead they had provided all the supporting documents. But I know that for Hard Core IPs they normally allow for an evaluation under the strict vigilance in their own environments.



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