did I miss the dancing girls?

Oh noes late again

Right I am going to go get some dinner, catch you all later

Thanks CU

Toodles -- C U next week

@Nemos: Ceng means "Chartered Engineer"

laters

Chartered Engineering applicants, I sit on a panel that does professional review interviews to check they meet the engineerign councils requirements

Right got to go and drink stuff. laters.

@Adam: Yup -- I saw -- sorry you can;t make it -- but look foirward to seeing you the week after

yes slowly slowly ;)

your email doesnt go into my spam folder

I just hit delete :p~~~~~~~~

who is Ceng @Adam ?

Bye everyone - -have a GREAT week

Nemos -- read the posts starting from the bottom and check out the videos and other links

@max not sure if you say it earlier but cannot do next week as doing Ceng interviews again

@Nemos: quess what , your emails was in the spam

The story of my life :-)

quess what , your emails was in the spam ..... sorry for that

Bye all. Have a great week.

@jezzmo yeah must be the same role, I told them no as just agreed to stay following another offer

@Nenos: hmmm Am I late ?

It all depends which way you look at it -- you're late for this week's chat -- but you're very early for next week's chat

Must dash.  See y'all

ooooo no I am late

The guy from Altera i was talking to wanted to know if I fancied working for them designing i.P

Good chatting all. Talk to you later.

they do jump about a bit

I have to tell you that i really enjoy these chats -- I never know where we'll end up

@max talking to a chap from altera

hmmm Am I late ?

@Adam: @jezzmo I was also

I lost track here -- what was this one about?

Max - I'll try to avoid talking about using thongs in my FPGA

lol

@jezzmo I was also 

"The Thong Remains the Same" :-)

fuuniest thing ever is that my predesessor at SSL who wrote the most horrible code you have ever seen, went on to be a FAE at Altera

Reminds me of the old Led Zepplin song....

Any guesses?

@Duane: When I gew up "thongs" wer a type of cheap casula footwear, also called flip flops

Well, that could cause some confusion in a conversation now -- just search Google Images for "Thong" -- the results will make your eyes water (although perhaps not water as much as actually wearing one)

I was talking to someone from altera yesterday, aparently they read this site.

have you sorted out who is giving talks at design west yet?

@max I just read it good job I am in stockings now then ;)

When I gew up "thongs" wer a type of cheap casula footwear, also called flip flops. 

I meant you can sit next to DUANE and JEZMO

@Adam: Actually what worries me is the more I drink my trousers come off

In that case you can sit next to Adam and JezmoSSL at Design West :-)

i intend to, nothing else just my drinking trousers

@Adam -- it just struck me -- did you ever read the very first comment in this chat?

Actually what worries me is the more I drink my trousers come off

@jezmo hope you will be bring those to design west 

@JezmoSSL: i am just putting my drinking trousers on.

I always wear mine in case of a drinking emergency

Max - very nice

i have yet to start drinking i am just putting my drinking trousers on.

@JezmoSSL: Start at the bottom of the messages and work your way up

We thought you were out drinking (unlike Crusty and adam who are drinking at home)

As the hours passed, the expressions on the partygoers' faces became increasingly bemused and bewildered as my mother --having grabbed the conversational reins with gusto and abandon using one of her classic opening gambits of "I bumped into Mrs. Forteskew-Smythe at the fishmongers the other day..."-- proceeded to inundate the gathered throng with a myriad of seemingly innocuous and unrelated details "...you remember, she was the oldest of three sisters; the youngest, Beryl, was a slut, while the middle girl eloped with a transsexual Australian taxidermist and they had two sons who couldn't bring themselves to touch any form of fruit, and..." and I could see the question forming in everyone's minds: "Can she possibly tie all of these tidbits of trivia together and somehow bring this tortuous tale to a meaningful close?" ... and I cowered against the wall wearing a tight, grim smile because I knew, to my cost, that she could.

ello, so did i miss anything thrilling?

Paul - too funny

Before you peruse my humble offering, let's remind ourselves that the point of this contest is to write a single sentence representing the worst-possible (although grammatically-correct) opening sentence for a hypothetical fictional book; now read on...

@jezzmo hello

but then ive got to run off again

Oh I just made it in time to wave hello

"the pen is mightier than the sword."

True story.  The other day my wife was cooking macaroni, and she was saying that the sauce was absorbed by the pasta too much, and tended to dry it out and make it sticky.  She commented that some books suggested using penne instead.

My response?  "Is that because the penne is mightier than the sauce?"  Life with me is hell

@Crusty: Most people wouldn't know a Dangling Participle if it crawled up their leg and bit them in ... a very unfortunate place :-)

@All See you all the last glass of Whisky has left me unable to type

@Max My English teacher said I suffered with Dangling Participles I never looked it up so I still must have it

@Adam: max of course

That's very kind of you -- but you know I was going to do it anyway, don;t you (grin)

Max - absolutely

@max of course

I submitted an entry in the 2008 competition ... but I never heard back from them ... woudl you like to see it?

"It was a dark and stormy night..." is now generally understood to represent an extravagantly florid style with redundancies and run-on sentences, and the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest was formed to "celebrate" the worst extremes of this general style of writing. Over the years, the contest has gained international attention and now attracts 10,000 or more entries a year.

Max - I do rememeber that. I was a big Peanuts fan. In fact, I had a Beagle named Snoopy. I didn't give him access to a typewriteer though.

Actually, Bulwer-Lytton (1803-1873) was a very popular writer in his day, coining such phrases as "the great unwashed," "pursuit of the almighty dollar," and "the pen is mightier than the sword." However, he may well have fallen into obscurity along with so many of his contemporaries if it were not for the annual Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest sponsored by the English Department of San Jose State University.

For your delectation and delight, the complete opening sentence of Bulwer-Lytton's masterpiece was: "It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents– except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness."

A legend in his own lunchtime, Bulwer-Lytton became renowned for penning exceptionally bad prose, of which the opening to his book PAUL CLIFFORD set the standard for others to follow.

"It was a dark and stormy night..." is actually the opening sentence to an 1830 book by the British author Edward George Bulwer-Lytton.

@Warren -- not best bad story -- best "worst" opening line

You know the old Peanuts cartoons where Snoopy is sat on the roof of his dog house writing his novel -- the first line is "It was a dark and stormy night..."

While I remember I will make my appologies as I cannot amke the chat next week 

Max - Thanks to Wikipedia - I have heard of that contest. I just didn't know the name.

Max- Yep. Best bad story...

@ Duane the problem is not knowing what another culture considers a word to mean

Max - No I'm really feeling in the dark.

@Duane: always something to learn on APP

Speaking of which -- have you ever heard of the "Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest"

Apparently I partake in a tiffin quite regularly.

@Duane thats how I feel most of the time with VHDL

But that's what Wikipedia is form.

Crusty - "Tiffin"? I'm beginning to feel a little illiterate.

@Crusty: have you partaken of Tiffin

Such a nice girl...

@Adam: did you get the suit pictures for the ZED board?

I haven;t had the time to look at anything for the last few days -- i'm juggling too many balls (and I can't juggle) -- I still have t ogo through all of the paper submissions for the Design West conference -- that will be this weekend taken care of (sob sob)

@Duane,  always something to learn on APP :-)

@Duane have you partaken of Tiffin

"squiffy" and "hoon." I've learned two new words today.

@max did you get the suit pictures for the ZED board ?I am thinking about tryign to trendset and get a proper hat

@Crusty: Don't worry Harry Potter couldn't cure his astigmatism either.

He had worse problems than astigmatism

lol in fairness guys it is nearly 7 pm here and I have got through a very demanding mechanical design review today

@Max I hoped the reference would make you laugh :-)

@Dunne -- also it's the evening where Adam hangs his (bowler) hat

@Adam: funnily enough just having a glass or two now

So you can see why she's reticent to bestow any honor son you in case you are squiffy when you receive them...

Adam - I was about to say "this early in the morning?", but then I remembered that no time is too early for good Champagne.

@Crusty: Ah, the classic Four Yorkshiremen Monty Python sketch -- the funnything is that I'm a Yorkshireman "born and bred" as they say -- the other funny thing is that when I was a kid, the older guys did used to talk like this (trying to one-up each other about whose life had been the hardest)

@max funnily enough just having a glass or two now 

@Max We did not even have enough money to live in a shoe box.

@Adam: ...wonder when the queen will offer me a knighthood for services to engineering...

She says she thinks you drink too much Champagne

@ Crusty  Don't worry Harry Potter couldn't cure his astigmatism either.

@Crusty: We couldn;t afford to develop drooping eyelids where I grew up -- we just had to make do with what mother nature gave us :-)

@max that is an excellent english name, speaking of which wonder when the queen will offer me a knighthood for services to engineering ;)

I wonder if Harry Potter could wave his magic wand and sort out the Fiscal Cliff?  (Or bang the heads of Obama and Congress together)

@Duane: What do you mean "just the actor"? I thought Harry Potter was a history book.

My point exactly -- Ralph just played a role in the film (it wasn't a documentary)

@ All sorry about Typos but have developed a drooping eyelid and waiting for surgery to correct it.

Max - That's cool.

My mom was the personal assistand to Sir Maurice Alberic Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes -- I think Ralph was his nephew -- but whatever the relationship he competed with me for my mother's knee :-)

@Max now an ivisability cloack should be added to the propellor hat wish list

Shame I wanted to borrow your invisibility cloak

What do you mean "just the actor"? I thought Harry Potter was a history book.

@Adam: Max are you harry potter ?

Don't be silly

I am of course not talking about the REAL Lord Voldemort -- just the actor who played him in the films -- Ralph Fiennes

@All if Max is Harry Potter then I am going to be Hagrid

Max, I'm guessing that "Lord Voldemort " was not her pet name for you..

Ahhh  - she had no idea he would grow up to be "such a bad man" - so it WAS you

@Duane: Max - did he have a nose back then?

My mom didn;t say anything abou this nose, so i'm assuming he did. She did say that he was a nice little boy and she had no idea he woudl grow up to be "such a bad man"

Max are you harry potter ?

@Paul: Max, will your training be recorded and archived on AllProgPlanet?

Not on APP per se -- but it will be archived and available 9for free of course) in an "On Demand" format

Max - did he have a nose back then?

As a complete aside -- did you know that my mother used to bounce Lord Voldemort on her knee when he was a little lad?

@max you just be famailar with the broadoak site then it is near southsea

@Max Very near to me in Emsworth

@crutsy no problem, you have my email and number feel free to use either

@Adam may catch you off line regarding this Apple FPGA drive

@Adam: I got to portsmouth in 1:30 a new personal best

I used to live in Portsmouth (well, Southsea) for  acoupel of years before I moved over here

@Warren: Maybe you R just looking for your a next mosaic project image...

I'm having so much fun with that -- Check out my There *is* a man in the moon! blog. I'm really rather proud of ths iconcept -- I've been playing with different colored glazes and i will be firing some "test moons" this coming weekend

@Crusty that sounds very interesting 

Max - do you have any suggest ted thems for your pictture of the week, or just whatever seems interesting?

@ Adam I have been back sliding and working on my Apple Iie BBC B and master coputers repairing power supplies. Want to use an FPGA to put an SD card on the Apple IIe disk drive.

@duane me to I cannot wait, 

@Paul, I once saw a buy reading the newspaper while driving, fully covering the windshield.  He was approaching railroad track, and the person in front of him slowed down.  The newspaper guy just happened to look up in time to swerve and miss the car in front of him by mere inches (or centimeters for those of you in the rest of the world :-) )

Max, will your training be recorded and archived on AllProgPlanet?

@Warren: "Do you plan on doing a weekly interesting image? R U going to take suggestions or just surprise us?"

I like the idea of doing a weekly image -- not the least that it will make you want to open up that boring old "Chat" blog to see what's inside (grin)

If anyone has a good candidate image you can email it to me -- otherwise I will just surprise you

Some people fear the day when our cars will drive for us, but I'm very much looking forward to the added safety and relaxation that will give. Of course, I suppose someone could easliy program a hoon option into the controller.

It was this afternoon, this morning I got to portsmouth in 1:30 a new personal best 

@ Adam is it still the biggest car park for London

Hi crusty I was down your way today

@Crusty That's great -- looking forward to "seeing" you there

"drive like an average American then".  As Max will confirm, here in the UK if you are stopped not wearing seat belts (front or back) you get a ticket from the police.  Talking non-hands free on a cell phone is the same - although lots do it.  I was followed the other week by a girl putting eye lash stuff on as she drove at 40 mph.  Now that's worrying...

Hi Crusty

Sorry I am late traffic on the m25 was terrible obviously getting me back for a vlear run this morning

Hi Adam

Of course a lot of this course will be stuff we've discussed here on APP, but it often makes a difference to hear it presented because I'll be coming at some things from a different angle.

It would be great to see you there if you can make it -- but more importantly it woudl be great if you could spread the word aroudn your respective companies and suchlike to get a lot of folks to sign up for it.

Hi Adam

@Max I am  going to sign up for your course

Max- Maybe you R just looking for your a next mosaic project image...

Max - Yes. I saw the blog. I really want to attent, but as it turns out, I have something during that hour Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. I'll attend when I can though.

Max, your 'interesting image of the week'.... the round rocks remind me of spot-welder electrodes.

Evening all

Max- Do you plan on doing a weekly interesting image? R U going to take suggestions or just surprise us?

Did you all see my blog about that Free FPGA Training Course I'l lbe giving?

I love the retro encabulator and varients. Especially coming from a big corporation.

So Adam is stuck in traffic and JezmoSSL is out on the town drinking too much beer (the lucky rascal)

@Duane, re: drive like an American.... exactly :-)

rfindley - so "hoon" means to drive like an average American then.

Of course the classic is still the old Rockwell Retro Encabulator video -- I LOVE thsi video. I also love the comments like: "I don`t get what he is talking about -- using too big of words -- what is this retro encabulator is for?"

@Duane: "Hoon Law"? I'm not sure -- I'll have to go back and listen to it again

According to wikipedia:
"Hoon is a derogatory term used in Australia and New Zealand, to refer to anyone who engages in loutish, anti-social behaviours. In particular, it is used to refer to one who drives a car or boat in a manner which is anti-social by the standards of contemporary society, that is, fast, noisily or dangerously."

Max - Well, if you have a VM on your PC, you can change directions from Windows to Linux in an instant. But, I suppose, that's not what they meant. :-)

Speaking of the video - what's a "Hoon law"? Not a term I'm familiar with.

@Duane: Rfindley's got it -- it's the "change directions in an instant" -- totally non-PC, but what can you do?

@Duane: I live in a split level head.

All the better to accomodate your size 16 brain with the "go faster" stripes on th eside :-)

re bike video:  "change directions in an instant"... nice :-)

Max - so, what was the other line in the video?

@Duane: I'm a bit schizo,

So are we :-)

I like both of him and he like both of me because I live in a split level head.

Also I loved Hamster's blog about the FPGA as the FM transmitter -- although I don;t think he'd really thought through the idea of transmitting an SOS signal (grin)

Max - I'm a bit schizo, or perhaps have multiple personalities so I have to float around.

Hi Paul -- thanks for your blog this week

Hi Paul

Hi everybody!

Hi Duane -- I think you are one of th efew APP Members who hangs out on the PL DL and MCU DL sites as well

The badger line cracked me up.

There are a coupel of line in the video that have me laughing out loud (one is the "Badger" part ... can you guess the other?)

Max - on your EE-Times "thre videos" post? Yes. Very funny.

Rfindley - I think that's what happened in my case. When I ran the old version of ISE, it hunted down the new "xilinx.lic", which of course isn't valid for the old software.

Did anyone se ethat really funny video about a Triumph Motor Cycle?

Arg... the chat deletes backslashes...  Let's try a fwd slash:
C:/.Xilinx

Max- No problem..

Hi Warren -- I'll b eposting your blog later today - -but First I have to get the EE Times Programmable Logic Designline newsletter "put to bed"

If I recall correctly, one of our bloggers mentioned having problems getting both old and new versions to work together a week or so ago. It may have been a similar issue.

It's also worth noting that ISE searches out all the licenses in the hard-coded folder C:\.Xilinx  (note the dot before 'Xilinx')

Thanks for holding the fort Duane

Hi Max.

I think license files have always been the most difficult part of the flow. never goes without issues...

Hi Max

Here's what the Xilinx tech support said: "Rename the ZED Board license file as Xilinx_ZED.lic and place it location of C:/Duane/Licenses/ZEDBoard.  

Now, open the XCLM and type C:/Duane/Licenses/ZEDBoard/Xilinx_ZED.lic  ; C:/Duane/Licenses/SP6LX9/Xilinx_SP6.lic in the XILINXD_LICENSE_FILE field of XLCM and then click on SET.

After doing this you should see all the features such as Chipscope,SP6LX9 device locked license feature, ZEDbaord licenses too in the features list of XLCM."

Hi everyone -- sorry about that -- Brian Bailey was supposed to be moderating a webinar for Synopsys, but he's also giving a training course -- so I got "volunteered" to be the moderator -- it just finished so now i'm here (hurray!!!)

@Duane, I've gotten into the habit of separating out my license content, and naming the files according to their content and version.  E.g. ise14.2.lic

*.lic

Yes. Very personal experieince. I installed ISE version 14.2 on the same system thatb already had ISE version 12.4 and that somehow overwrote the xilinx.lic file for version 12.4.

So if you have an old license file you want to save it shouldn't be named *.llc?

Did you discover this from personal experience?

But, it doesn't have to be named "xilinx.lic" You can rename it, like "xilinx_sp6.lic"

It seems that if you have multiple versions of ISE, you can easily write over the licence file and kill one of your packages.

yes?

I just learned something interesting about Xilinx licensing.

Hi all.

Hi there

Max may be a little late and Adam might possibly be stuck in traffic.

Hi Duane

Good morning all.

Our weekly chat will commence at 12:00 p.m. my time (Central USA Time), which is 1:00 p.m. Eastern Time, 10:00 a.m. Pacific Time, and 6:00 p.m. UTC/GMT (you'll have to work out your local time from these clues).

As always, we will be following our usual practice of leaping from topic to topic with the agility of young, fearless mountain goats, so make sure you're wearing appropriate clothing (no Adam, I don't care what you say, thongs are NOT appropriate for every occasion!)